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Offroadershack's => Newbies Introduction => Topic started by: wlimw88 on May 04, 2012, 10:23:37 AM

Title: Newbie from KL
Post by: wlimw88 on May 04, 2012, 10:23:37 AM
i'm we liong from kepong, kl, own navara 2.5 auto...
- oldman emu suspension (heavy duty coil/leaf, nitro charger absorber/strut).

pending mod...
- tyre/rim (due navara with 114.3 pcd, hard to find rim)
- bullbar/rear bumper (arb/mcc/piak/marco)
- winch ?
- snorkel

wil try to read thru previous post from all the sifu here to gain for more info/knowledge..and need to save money 1st all those mod.. :)
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: junglebunny on May 04, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
For off road use sell it (only good for going to TT's with hahahaha) and by a LC II and welcome to the forum.

Bullbar has to be ARB due to the airbags cannot use a LOCAL one..
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: wlimw88 on May 04, 2012, 12:40:50 PM
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: kgb on May 04, 2012, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: "wlimw88"
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..

cheap things not worth what they cost.
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: predator67 on May 04, 2012, 02:20:43 PM
It still can be used offroad. Maybe just not the hardcore trails. but then again, that depends how much you want to spend modding it.  :mrgreen:

Quote from: "wlimw88"
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: keewes on May 04, 2012, 03:28:42 PM
True. ALB has stood to my abuse. But for modern cars with airbags you should ensure the bullbar is rated for airbags.

Welcome to the shack!
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: gotoy on May 04, 2012, 04:23:05 PM
Quote from: "predator67"
It still can be used offroad. Maybe just not the hardcore trails. but then again, that depends how much you want to spend modding it.  :mrgreen:

Quote from: "wlimw88"
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..

Yep, can be used offroad. Tyres and winch most important.  I dunno anyone who fitted ARB bullbar all appear to be local type.

The sump is a little low and some form of protection there would be well worth.........or end up with a big hole from a rough edged rock as I saw some poor owner had earlier this year.
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: junglebunny on May 04, 2012, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: "wlimw88"
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..


It's not about expense its about the serious issue of AIRBAG triggering - LOCAL bars are not AIRBAG compliant tested. ARB are they spend MILLIONS doing research and have to pass before they can sell them.

Ask the local maker if they done airbag test or airbag certified.

I'm going to put a BAR on the ISUZU and it will be ARB for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: kgb on May 04, 2012, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: "keewes"
True. ALB has stood to my abuse. But for modern cars with airbags you should ensure the bullbar is rated for airbags.

Welcome to the shack!

did it really? are you sure?!
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: keewes on May 06, 2012, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: "kgb"
Quote from: "keewes"
True. ALB has stood to my abuse. But for modern cars with airbags you should ensure the bullbar is rated for airbags.

Welcome to the shack!

did it really? are you sure?!

Tell me what have you observe differently?
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: kgb on May 06, 2012, 02:15:59 AM
Quote from: "keewes"
Quote from: "kgb"
Quote from: "keewes"
True. ALB has stood to my abuse. But for modern cars with airbags you should ensure the bullbar is rated for airbags.

Welcome to the shack!

did it really? are you sure?!

Tell me what have you observe differently?

i recall it being ripped out at some point and reinforced at another. But i am probably wrong.... same would happen to ARB anyway.... right...
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: keewes on May 06, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: "kgb"
Quote from: "keewes"
Quote from: "kgb"
Quote from: "keewes"
True. ALB has stood to my abuse. But for modern cars with airbags you should ensure the bullbar is rated for airbags.

Welcome to the shack!

did it really? are you sure?!

Tell me what have you observe differently?

i recall it being ripped out at some point and reinforced at another. But i am probably wrong.... same would happen to ARB anyway.... right...

That was due to a weak mounting point and winch table.
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: wlimw88 on May 07, 2012, 12:51:52 AM
Quote from: "junglebunny"
Quote from: "wlimw88"
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..


It's not about expense its about the serious issue of AIRBAG triggering - LOCAL bars are not AIRBAG compliant tested. ARB are they spend MILLIONS doing research and have to pass before they can sell them.

Ask the local maker if they done airbag test or airbag certified.

I'm going to put a BAR on the ISUZU and it will be ARB for obvious reasons.

junglebunny, where u plan to fix ur ARB bullbar ? i got quote from 4wd.shahalam for rm4.6k and WARN winch abt rm4k+, so need to save some money 1st..
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: kgb on May 07, 2012, 06:12:16 AM
Quote from: "keewes"
Quote from: "kgb"
Quote from: "keewes"
Quote from: "kgb"
Quote from: "keewes"
True. ALB has stood to my abuse. But for modern cars with airbags you should ensure the bullbar is rated for airbags.

Welcome to the shack!

did it really? are you sure?!

Tell me what have you observe differently?

i recall it being ripped out at some point and reinforced at another. But i am probably wrong.... same would happen to ARB anyway.... right...

That was due to a weak mounting point and winch table.

winch plate is meant to be part of the bumper so is the proper mounting points for a specific vehicle. Since you had to add or modify the above mentioned due to its failure, that once again underlines quality of local made bars.
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: junglebunny on May 07, 2012, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: "wlimw88"
Quote from: "junglebunny"
Quote from: "wlimw88"
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..


It's not about expense its about the serious issue of AIRBAG triggering - LOCAL bars are not AIRBAG compliant tested. ARB are they spend MILLIONS doing research and have to pass before they can sell them.

Ask the local maker if they done airbag test or airbag certified.

I'm going to put a BAR on the ISUZU and it will be ARB for obvious reasons.

junglebunny, where u plan to fix ur ARB bullbar ? i got quote from 4wd.shahalam for rm4.6k and WARN winch abt rm4k+, so need to save some money 1st..

I plan to fix the bullbar to the front of the ISUZU  :lol:
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: gotoy on May 07, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: "junglebunny"
Quote from: "wlimw88"
Quote from: "junglebunny"
Quote from: "wlimw88"
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..
It's not about expense its about the serious issue of AIRBAG triggering - LOCAL bars are not AIRBAG compliant tested. ARB are they spend MILLIONS doing research and have to pass before they can sell them.
Ask the local maker if they done airbag test or airbag certified.
I'm going to put a BAR on the ISUZU and it will be ARB for obvious reasons.
junglebunny, where u plan to fix ur ARB bullbar ? i got quote from 4wd.shahalam for rm4.6k and WARN winch abt rm4k+, so need to save some money 1st..
I plan to fix the bullbar to the front of the ISUZU  :lol:

Will also need to upgrade the front springs to cope with additional weight or the front will end up being a little limp.

At my hilux 5000 service there was a gov unit parked in the next bay to mine. The gov hilux has a bull bar and winch but was still on stock suspension. Comparing to my stock model the gov hilux had sagged more than 1" at the front.

Also, there is no way am I spending 5k on an ARB bull bar, if ever decide to go for one on the hilux and I dont care what anybody says!!!
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: junglebunny on May 07, 2012, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: "gotoy"
Quote from: "junglebunny"
Quote from: "wlimw88"
Quote from: "junglebunny"
Quote from: "wlimw88"
yup2..but is too late...initially tot can apply for both usage(offroad/daily use)..then only realize is for highway use.. :lol:
arb stuff quite expensive lar...but is good quality..
It's not about expense its about the serious issue of AIRBAG triggering - LOCAL bars are not AIRBAG compliant tested. ARB are they spend MILLIONS doing research and have to pass before they can sell them.
Ask the local maker if they done airbag test or airbag certified.
I'm going to put a BAR on the ISUZU and it will be ARB for obvious reasons.
junglebunny, where u plan to fix ur ARB bullbar ? i got quote from 4wd.shahalam for rm4.6k and WARN winch abt rm4k+, so need to save some money 1st..
I plan to fix the bullbar to the front of the ISUZU  :lol:

Will also need to upgrade the front springs to cope with additional weight or the front will end up being a little limp.

At my hilux 5000 service there was a gov unit parked in the next bay to mine. The gov hilux has a bull bar and winch but was still on stock suspension. Comparing to my stock model the gov hilux had sagged more than 1" at the front.

Also, there is no way am I spending 5k on an ARB bull bar, if ever decide to go for one on the hilux and I dont care what anybody says!!!


We are just pointing out the AIRBAG saftey points. In AUSTRALIA cannot install one which is not airbag compliant.

ANyway its your life and your families you are puuting in danger or anyone else who travels in the front.
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: gotoy on May 07, 2012, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: "junglebunny"
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We are just pointing out the AIRBAG saftey points. In AUSTRALIA cannot install one which is not airbag compliant.

ANyway its your life and your families you are puuting in danger or anyone else who travels in the front.

I dont have a front ARB style bumper on the hilux, its stock and will remain so.


My main point in the post was the need for stiffer springs otherwise the front end will sag with the additional weight.
Title: Re: Newbie from KL
Post by: junglebunny on May 07, 2012, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: "gotoy"
Quote from: "junglebunny"
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We are just pointing out the AIRBAG saftey points. In AUSTRALIA cannot install one which is not airbag compliant.

ANyway its your life and your families you are puuting in danger or anyone else who travels in the front.

I dont have a front ARB style bumper on the hilux, its stock and will remain so.


My main point in the post was the need for stiffer springs otherwise the front end will sag with the additional weight.


Yes indeed it will SAG as the factory springs are actually big MEE noodles twisted by a well known MEE maker into HILUX springs.